Curse

Ryoushi · Jun 20, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

Recently I got my second character Natsume Mononoke to Beacon's Perch. The first time I got there ever, with my ranger, everyone was saying something akin to "LFG-Kryta!" or something similar. Now EVERYONE and I mean nearly EVERYONE in the district was searching for a forge runner. Basically, someone who could run them all the way down through Lornar's Pass, bajillions of miles away, to Droknar's Forge.

The thing is, this makes people like me that play through the entire game fairly feel cheated. I've spent nearly 130 hours getting Ryoushi to where he is now at Thunderhead Keep, and yet some noob can get there in under half the time because he has lots of money to pay a runner?

ANet, you guys really should do something about this. Maybe limit Lornar's to level 20s only, I don't know.

Swarnt Brightstar · Jun 20, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

I hate that... gets me so poed I spent 150 hours I'm at moladune then these lil buggers come and are like "LF forge runner!!" then some people volunteer to do it for such and such amount of money...

it's like cheating

theclam · Jun 20, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

If people want to lower their playing fun by being ran all the way to Droknar, it's fine by me. When I see non-ascended people in the first mission of the lower Shiverpeaks (the name always escapes me) I just laugh, as no one will invite a lvl 15 for the mission.

They are also missing out in getting skills, and weapons, and such.

EDIT:

I don't know why people buy this game just so they can be run to the end, and miss all of the fun of the middle. It isn't all that much of an accomplishment to beat the game at lvl 15, other than the fact that your team mates must be good to win with one less person

Hebug · Jun 20, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Well see, the "noobs" that can pay, 99% of the time, have another character that they've already beat the game with. That's why they have the money. It is not that they are stupid, but they want a rush to Droknar's to get the best armor and some good skills unlocked for PvP. I have never done a Droknar's rush, but I find it irritating that people think those people are "noobs" for doing it. They just don't want to play through the story multiple times. Give them a break.

The Human Torch · Jun 20, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

The reason they do this is so they can skip through the rest of the game, which they've already done on another character. Can you blame them for not wanting to repeat the same boring story line?

Shandoo Bilari · Jun 20, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Dont spend so much time worrying about what other people do, they will suck at thier class not having spent the time to learn the intricacies like you have.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 20, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

A friend of mine wanted me to run him and his friend through to Droknars. I told him no and he should play the game as it should be played.

It's his first character too.

Red Locust · Jun 20, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

If anything, I'd want to run to amnoon oasis and get my 50k exp. What good is 1.5k armor if I'm still level 10.

Creston · Jun 20, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Here's what someone needs to explain to me.

It lessens your enjoyment? Why? is there some kind of bar in your window with a maximum enjoyment level, and everytime someone rushes to Droknar's, that bar goes down by 5%, so eventually you can have no further enjoyment?

Why do people always insist that in a game, what someone else does and which IN NO WAY affects them directly, somehow interferes with how much fun they are having?

Also, the "Well, some players can afford it, and others can't" argument is stupid. I know of a GREAT rusher who charges 5K. If you don't have 5K by the time you've reached Beacon's Perch, you need to stop buying so many runes

FYI, I have TWO characters in Droknar's who reached it legitimately (well, only one now, I killed the other one). Both of them slogged their way through Kryta over the course of more than a week of play. Personally, I don't think Kryta is much fun, and the thought of having to grind through all those undead again with my W just wasn't all that appealing. Also, I wanted a char with whom I could scout the whole map, and I needed better armor for him.

So, I paid a guy to rush me to Droknar's.
I've been there twice before. I have (had) two Ascended characters (now just one).
I'm never playing with any of you, most likely, and if I am, I'm the guy in front keeping the rest of you from getting ganked by all the critters.
So how am I robbing you of your enjoyment?

Btw, on the subject of rushing. The rusher took a group of six of us there. We asked him what we needed to do, and he said "Just try to follow me as long as you can".

That rushing part was some of the most fun I've had in the game in quite awhile. While most of my "teammates" / fellow taxi passengers dropped within seconds, I actually managed to run past quite a few of the nastiest chokepoints, following our rusher.
I eventually died because I had to leave him alone if he rested somewhere in a convenient area, and so I'd get ganked, but I sure got pretty damn far for my level 15 char.

It actually takes quite a bit of skill to rush to Droknar's. Yes, with the right skills it can be done, but even so it's not guaranteed, as evidenced by our rusher dying the first time we tried it (fortunately still in Lornar's, so we could start over), and there were several very close calls he had (where he was down to about 30 or so%).

He didn't scam, he charged in increments, and for me, it was a very fun 45 minutes, watching him with the chase cam, evading and darting through hordes of nigh unbeatable critters.

Again, it doesn't take away anything from YOUR game. There are millions of characters that go through ascension normally. There are probably 1000 or so that chose to rush because they've already walked the normal way.
In no way does it affect you, and in no way should you complain that it somehow "lessens your achievement".

Rushing is a good way for people who've already Ascended once to get some better skills / armor quicker. It's also a fun experience to do.

Please stop asking for more nerfs over some perceived slight done to you. If Anet keeps going at their current pace, this game is going to be more nerfed than Diablo 2 ever was, and will we then all be happy? Let's just nerf everything while we're at it. No more loot drops, no more money, no more damage from monsters, no more skills, and no more character classes.
Everyone plays a W/Me/Mo/R/Ne/El with a 1dmg weapon and 5 energy. Nobody has money. There, at least we're all on the same footing, and we can all enjoy each other.

Edit : Oh, and after I got my armor and some skills, I went back to Kryta, and am still slogging through it, just with slightly less aggravation this time. It was also a lot of fun to walk through Dragon's Gullet and finally getting to see that part of the map.
I'm not skipping anything, as it'd be stupid to try to take a lvl 16 W through the Northern Shiverpeaks missions, and I wouldn't saddle a team with my useless ass there. I'll make my way there again eventually, and might even finish the game with this char.
Again, I fail to see how this affects anyone. And for those who say "Well, it ruins their (the rushee) enjoyment", that's a fallacious argument as well. I'm enjoying it, and I thought it was fun. Last time I checked, *I* was in charge of my fun, not you

Creston

StandardAI · Jun 20, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Swarnt Brightstar

I hate that... gets me so poed I spent 150 hours I'm at moladune then these lil buggers come and are like "LF forge runner!!" then some people volunteer to do it for such and such amount of money...

it's like cheating

It's like, if you've already beat the game once, or in most cases more than once, why should we have to do it again?

EcPercy · Jun 20, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Well I tried to go to droknar's when I was about level 17 with my w/me and I have to say; if there is a group of 6 under level 20 that are able to make it they deserve it! How does someone making it to droknar's effect you???? I don't see this as being a problem. I wasn't able to make it.... With a group of 6 with a pet... we made it oh, halfway through lonars pass.

LoneDust · Jun 20, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I, for one, am appalled by the association between "stupid" and "forge runners". It is unjustified calling them stupid because the original poster cannot bend the will of the runners. In fact, I find that the courage for standing up and refuse to suck up the boring repetiveness in GW extremely commendable.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Ryoushi

ANet, you guys really should do something about this. Maybe limit Lornar's to level 20s only, I don't know.

sorry i am at 17 and i enjoy going to the pass just for the challenge i haven't rushed the forge but don't try to deny my fun and right to die repeatedly just cause you want to cry no way.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 20, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

I second Creston's comments.

I had my lvl 12 monk rushed to Droknar's for 3K. Is that really that HUGE amount of money? No, not for me, but to the enterprising warrior that took the 5 of us it was 15k made over a 30minute period. A good legitimate business that is an alternate farming. It was the best 3K I ever spent, and looking back I would of payed more. We cheered on our Bus driver as he dodged and swerved with the prowess of a half back.

It is not cheating, because there is an obvious clear path to follow. That is not exploiting the game in anyway. Maybe the devs intended this? Because after all there is a trail leading from one to the other. It takes skill, and the right skill set in order to be able to run. It is like a taxi or bus service. Have you ever taken a bus or taxi? Did people call you a cheater for taking a cab across town instead of walking? I highly doubt it.

You know what I did? After I purchased my good armor, I went back to Beacons Perch and continued with the storylined quest. For the area I am at I am an uber monk, because I can tank, and take the damge that the lower monsters are dealing.

In the long run it saves you a considerable amount of money. Instead of me having to buy a new armor upgrade at every other town, I now have the highest defense armor available. I can now save that money I would of otherwise spent on other armor sets to try and keep myself alive as the game progressed.

This is not my first character mind you, and in doing this my Pleasure Meter is a lot higher. I can now play the game with less fear of dying, and instead of barely making it by the skin of my teeth. I enjoy meandering about the country side. I have found many new lower level areas that I had not found before because I just want to get thru the missions, to get better stuff, just so I could survive a little better.

For those of you that might like to try this. Be wary of bus drivers that ask for the money up front, and stiff your driver.

smitty-gw · Jun 20, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

It is advantageous to get to Droknars from Beacons to purchase end game armor.

At that point they can continue forward with the story line or skip it entirely if they are tired of it.

I see no problem with it really. It is quite difficult, even for level 20's.

Bingley Joe · Jun 20, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Glad to see common sense prevailing so far in this thread.

Forge running is awesome and should be left alone until someone can explain how it affects the game for anyone but the runners. Being uptight is not a good enough reason.

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

the only way I can see that forge running affects the game, is that you see more people asking for runs to the next town, which would clog up the chat window, but this isn't all that serious of a problem.

Thac0 · Jun 20, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Ah, now the end-game armor, THAT'S the double-edged sword, so to speak. Generally assuming that most people that run Lornars' are running through the game for the 2nd (or 3rd or whatever) time and using it to get the end-game armor and a couple of extra skills/spells to make leveling easier in PvE, that's one thing. It's the people that want so badly to be "leet" and use that end-game armor in the newbie PvP arenas that start the problems.

Weapons and skills are one thing, most of the end-game weapons can be bought as early as Ascalon City if you have the p, but they still require reqs that you wouldn't tend to meet at the lower-levels, skills are pretty much the same (not in needing reqs, but you might not necessarily be 100% potent with the spell since you won't have the att pts to throw into it to make it totally effective either). The end-game armor though, is highly unbalancing for lower-end arena PvP, or don't you think that the extra 20-30 AC bonus doesn't matter, especially at low level?

Possible solution: make reqs for the armor (especially end-game), requiring at least level 16 to wear, since by that time you'd be in the 16-20 arenas anyways. But that's just IMO

Sarus · Jun 20, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Any of the non level 20 PvP areas are really just to get your feet wet before you start team arena, tombs and GvG. As such I don't think it's a big deal if someone really feels the need to buy themselves level 20 armor then go back to the lowbie arenas and stomp on people. If you happen to be the victim of stomping just move along and realize that the real PvP doesn't start till you're level 20.

As for people being run down to droknars forge .... who the hell cares?!?!?! Does it effect your gaming experience in any way? Are you really so petty and shallow that you must force everyone else to do exactly what you did to gain any satisfaction out of playing the game? If the only reason you have fun playing GW is because you want to brag to everyone how much more time you spent grinding then you're playing the wrong game.

Most people that are getting themselves run to Droknars have already beat the game. Probably more than once. Probably more than twice. I think the fact that people even have to get run to Droknars just goes to show how broken the game is. Anygame where you have to play the story mode 3 times over just to be able to participate in the "multiplayer" part of the game has some issues.

Can you imagine if you were playing Starcraft, or Warcraft or any RTS game and you play through the entire compaign/story mode, get excited over connecting to battlenet and playing some multiplayer matches and the game tells you "sorry, your only available unit is the zergling until you beat the campaign 2 more times". That's basically what guild wars is at this point. Just replace campaign with PvE and multiplayer with PvP.

Anything people do to try and gain full access to the PvP portion of the game in as quick a timeframe as possible is fine by me.

Tyil Thunder Arrow · Jun 20, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Sarus

Any of the non level 20 PvP areas are really just to get your feet wet before you start team arena, tombs and GvG. As such I don't think it's a big deal if someone really feels the need to buy themselves level 20 armor then go back to the lowbie arenas and stomp on people. If you happen to be the victim of stomping just move along and realize that the real PvP doesn't start till you're level 20.

Agreed all these arenas along the way mean nothing towards rank or anything like that so i don't se the problem really